• Let's be civil and hate free, please?

    From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Neofree on Sun Aug 11 15:57:17 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Neofree to All on Sat Aug 10 2024 05:17 pm

    Hello,

    I've recently been participating in this Debate forum and have found that the toxicity level to be a little high for mature people operating and using BBS and terminal programs.

    Toxicity level in this place is quite low compared to the very bad places. The only thing "wrong" with DoveNET is that the administration does not do what RPGNet and other services do and police the place so only a way of thinking is allowed.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Denn on Sun Aug 11 16:05:43 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Denn to MRO on Sun Aug 11 2024 10:46 am

    There's room here for differing opinions.
    Dovenet is a collective of many BBS's, why try to run everyone off? After all it's not called MRONET.

    I can't speak for MRO, but my view is this:

    I am fine if somebody shows up believing the moon is made of cheese and trying to argue why it is so. However, when that person finds his opinion is unpopular and runs to the administration in order to erradicate unbelievers, he is making clear he should be in a policed echo chamber in which only certain opinions are allowed.

    I think suggesting such a person to go somewhere where cheese-moon theories are enforced is better for every party involved at that point.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Accession on Sun Aug 11 17:28:43 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Accession to Neofree on Sun Aug 11 2024 08:58 am


    I thought this echo was named "DEBATE"? That is EXACTLY what is supposed to happen here.

    Can we not be children, maybe, please?

    Lead by example. This post was definitely NOT a prime example of adulthood, though, so you're off to a really bad start. :(



    he literally 'cried to teacher' like a child.
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  • From Operator@VERT/TELEGRAP to All on Sun Aug 11 21:23:26 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: MRO to Neofree on Sun Aug 11 2024 08:15 am

    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Neofree to MRO on Sat Aug 10 2024 05:58 pm

    I've never registered for the Democrat party, btw. I'm an Independent, who was once a registered Republican, but they have gone so far down hill lately with hate.

    Thanks,

    Neofree

    why don't you go to reddit where you belong.

    (I can't understand why I'm saying anything...)

    You're saying that Replublicans are the gateful crowd? Are you for real?
    No sir. You can't be farther from the truth.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Operator on Mon Aug 12 04:51:33 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Operator to All on Sun Aug 11 2024 09:23 pm


    why don't you go to reddit where you belong.

    (I can't understand why I'm saying anything...)

    You're saying that Replublicans are the gateful crowd? Are you for real?
    No sir. You can't be farther from the truth.


    who are you replying to?

    the last quoted line is from me.
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  • From Neofree@VERT to MRO on Mon Aug 12 16:27:38 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: MRO to Neofree on Sun Aug 11 2024 08:15 am

    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Neofree to MRO on Sat Aug 10 2024 05:58 pm

    I've never registered for the Democrat party, btw. I'm an Independent, wh > > was once a registered Republican, but they have gone so far down hill lat > > with hate.

    Thanks,

    Neofree

    why don't you go to reddit where you belong.

    How do I not belong here? I've been on this BBS for decades. I used Synchronet when it first came out and was still commercial software. I've owned and operated BBS's in the 80's, 90's, and 2000's. I've developed all ofthese opinions over time, never really forgetting what life was back in the
    80's under Ronald Reagan. So just because the average person has no attentionspan and memory of what happend last decade let a lone the 80's, doesn't mean
    I didn't evolve away from the Republican party. Go ahead. Time travel to 1987. Grab a couple Reagan supporters, and time travel them back to modern times. They'll think we've gone entirely INSANE.

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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Arelor on Mon Aug 12 18:14:24 2024
    On Sun, 11 Aug 2024 20:57:16 -0500, you wrote:

    Toxicity level in this place is quite low compared to the very bad
    places. The only thing "wrong" with DoveNET is that the administration
    does not do what RPGNet and other services do and police the place so
    only a way of thinking is allowed.

    Are you really calling that "wrong", or are you throwing it out there that the original poster thinks it's wrong, or are you just being sarcastic?

    If I refer to your last message, I think you called those other services "bubbles." :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Mon Aug 12 17:50:04 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Arelor to Neofree on Sun Aug 11 2024 03:57 pm

    Toxicity level in this place is quite low compared to the very bad places. The only thing "wrong" with DoveNET is that the administration does not do what RPGNet and other services do and police the place so only a way of thinking is allowed.

    I don't think it would be good to police a place where only one way of thinking is allowed, but sometimes I feel like there is a certain amount of toxicity on Dove-Net that sometimes makes me feel disinterested in reading the messages here. Particularly lately, there has been bickering between several members and I feel like it gets old after a while. Also, seeing negativity repeatedly from the same member (or members) for years can get a bit tiring too, though I've learned to not care so much and try to mostly ignore it when it happens.

    Nightfox

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  • From Neofree@VERT to Denn on Mon Aug 12 18:54:35 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Denn to MRO on Sun Aug 11 2024 10:46 am

    On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 22:17:18 -0700, you wrote:

    I've recently been participating in this Debate forum and have found that the toxicity level to be a little high for mature people
    operating and using BBS and terminal programs.

    What?! You have got to be kidding me.

    I've spoke privately with Digital Man and he said that this forum is
    not moderated in any way. But he did say something like feel free
    to debate and to fine to include this message, and asking people to
    be more polite here.

    That's some straight up snowflake shit right there, buddy!

    Let's rewind a bit here. Your very first post in this echo was titled "Kamala" and included this (formatted and spell checked to make it more readable):

    === Start Quote

    In true debate format, let's go people! Yes, I'm being overly simple
    and a little sarcastic. But, feel free to intellectually debate what
    I'm about to say.

    Kamala should be the next president of the United States of America because the other two people who were running are both very old and
    out of touch and both have concerns about their future mental health.

    Well that about sums that debate up. On to the next topic.... LOL

    === End Quote

    You sir, opened up the can of worms. Don't go crying to Digital Man because most people here don't agree with you.

    Did you actually think that post would just squeak through and not get repli
    I would think it would make DOVE-Net a more attractive network to
    use if we area little more civil here.

    Dovenet has been an attractive network for much longer than you have been he
    Harris?" then that completely opens up people preferring either
    candidate.

    I thought this echo was named "DEBATE"? That is EXACTLY what is supposed to happen here.

    Can we not be children, maybe, please?

    Lead by example. This post was definitely NOT a prime example of adulthood, though, so you're off to a really bad start. :(

    Regards,
    Nick

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    That's your opinion.

    There is no such thing as a "Debate" when everyone has the same opinion, and when asked to debate, no one accepts your argument as even valid. A debate requires hearing points of view that you don't like or want to hear. Get over it!

    THIS forum ISN'T ONLY filled with people like you. Try reading and try using your brain. Other people are arguing with people like you also. Most just ignore you.

    Especially in the 80's people didn't think like you. Yes, some of you did. I remember flame wars has ALWAYS been a problem. Back in the old days you actually had to deal with mixed points of view and tolerate it! BBS's used to be the most mainstream version of doing this stuff, not the Internet!

    By replying back to you right now, telling you that you are wrong to debate in this fashion, is in fact debating. I'm giving you constructive critisism to hopefully get the remianing brain cell in your head to work.

    Why don't you see if you can wake up another brain cell and try actually debating and consider other points of view in a debate? That's the whole POINT of a Debate! Did you graduate from high school? I remember Debate class, do you?

    A lot of you, myself included, are skilled computer programmers. In coding you have to think of all the variables, functions, etc. Guess what, real life is no different! Politics isn't just some weird thing that requires no brain cells! You have to THINK, consider peoples arguments, and change your opinion when you're WRONG. Too many Americans can't do that anymore today, and it's really sad that has travelled into the BBS community.

    Dealing with flame wars back the in the day was easy. Don't let people do it on your BBS!

    So anyone reading this, if you YOU don't want to consider that the United States Constitution itself was written by both liberals and conservatives, then you're seriously confused. The founding members where of a mixed cultures and beliefs. They had to do it this way. The constition DOES NOT IN ANY WAY tolerate some President to become a dictator, like Donald Trump says himself that he wants. It's not true.

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  • From Neofree@VERT to Arelor on Mon Aug 12 19:13:03 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Arelor to Denn on Sun Aug 11 2024 04:05 pm

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Operator on Mon Aug 12 22:41:05 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Operator to All on Sun Aug 11 2024 09:23 pm

    You're saying that Replublicans are the gateful crowd? Are you for real? No sir. You can't be farther from the truth.


    a guy wore a Trump shirt to a Biden event and was screemed at by the Democrats there.
    Same Guy wore a Biden shirt to a Trump ralley and was treated with respect. you can find this video on youtube.
    Republicans were Greatful, Democrats were Hateful.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Neofree on Tue Aug 13 08:36:52 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Neofree to MRO on Mon Aug 12 2024 04:27 pm

    Neofree

    why don't you go to reddit where you belong.

    How do I not belong here? I've been on this BBS for decades. I used Synchronet when it first came out and was still commercial software. I've owned and operated BBS's in the 80's, 90's, and 2000's. I've developed all


    hey kid, this place isnt for you. nobody likes a tattle tail.
    furthermore, the debate echo is too much for you, because there is debating.

    go to reddit where you can have an echo chamber of people with your
    own beliefs and nothing else.
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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to MRO on Tue Aug 13 09:59:06 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: MRO to Operator on Mon Aug 12 2024 04:51 am

    It was a general reply.

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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to Denn on Tue Aug 13 10:12:34 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Denn to Operator on Mon Aug 12 2024 10:41 pm

    a guy wore a Trump shirt to a Biden event and was screemed at by the Democrats there.
    Same Guy wore a Biden shirt to a Trump ralley and was treated with respect. you can find this video on youtube.
    Republicans were Greatful, Democrats were Hateful.

    I agree w/ you 100%. I saw the same video and here in OH, during the 270 Parade, we had some Biden supporters asking us why we liked Trump so much that we invited them to an after parade party and we gad an awesome discussion of both sides. They told us that we were the most coolest and imformed people they ever met. Now if they voted for Trump that year who know, but at least we were the civil of the two factions.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to KnightMare on Tue Aug 13 15:09:43 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: KnightMare to MRO on Tue Aug 13 2024 09:59 am

    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: MRO to Operator on Mon Aug 12 2024 04:51 am

    It was a general reply.


    no it wasn't. you said:

    " > why don't you go to reddit where you belong.

    (I can't understand why I'm saying anything...)

    You're saying that Replublicans are the gateful crowd? Are you for real?
    No sir. You can't be farther from the truth.
    "

    i didnt say that. you were addressing someone.
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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Neofree on Tue Aug 13 17:04:06 2024
    On Mon, 12 Aug 2024 23:54:34 -0700, you wrote:

    That's your opinion.

    Who's opinion? You quoted an entire message that I wrote, but someone else (Denn) was in the "To" field.

    There is no such thing as a "Debate" when everyone has the same opinion, and when asked to debate, no one accepts your argument as even valid. A debate requires hearing points of view that you don't like or want to
    hear. Get over it!

    Let's quote you again real quick:

    Kamala should be the next president of the United States of America
    because the other two people who were running are both very old and
    out of touch and both have concerns about their future mental health

    Obviously, you have a different opinion. That's great. While some like to insult you instantly for thinking in a way they don't, there are plenty here willing to debate you on this. But, if you're going to go batshit crazy on everyone here for only a few people's improper responses, you will probably be ignored in the future.

    Well that about sums that debate up. On to the next topic.... LOL

    And here, you tried ending what you started in the same message. Basically trying not to give anyone else a chance to argue (or debate) with you about it.

    THIS forum ISN'T ONLY filled with people like you. Try reading and try using your brain. Other people are arguing with people like you also.
    Most just ignore you.

    People like who? Who are you actually talking to here? I wasn't insulting you in my reply. Or do you not like me now because I have differing opinions than you do?

    Especially in the 80's people didn't think like you. Yes, some of you
    did. I remember flame wars has ALWAYS been a problem. Back in the old
    days you actually had to deal with mixed points of view and tolerate it! BBS's used to be the most mainstream version of doing this stuff, not
    the Internet!

    Are you even ranting to the right person here?

    By replying back to you right now, telling you that you are wrong to
    debate in this fashion, is in fact debating. I'm giving you constructive critisism to hopefully get the remianing brain cell in your head to work.

    So, in the exact same fasion as your above paragraph, *my* original reply to you was telling you that you opened the can of worms, and that crying to Digital Man because people weren't agreeing with you was completely out of line and uncalled for.

    Now if you were being more specific and calling out the people that were actually insulting you directly because of your original post, you should have been more specific (both to Digital Man, and the rest of us). However, *I* didn't insult you for what you said, I pointed out that you started all of this. So you either replied to the wrong person, or have some short term memory loss.

    Why don't you see if you can wake up another brain cell and try actually debating and consider other points of view in a debate? That's the
    whole POINT of a Debate! Did you graduate from high school? I
    remember Debate class, do you?

    Coming out with the insults is a instant sign of a loss of an argument.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Mickey@VERT/CORSYNC to Denn on Tue Aug 13 18:56:48 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Denn to Operator on Mon Aug 12 2024 22:41:05

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    HA! stolen for my own use. :-)


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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Mickey on Tue Aug 13 20:23:15 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Denn to Operator on Mon Aug 12 2024 22:41:05

    ... WORK HARDER!... Millions on Welfare depend on YOU!

    HA! stolen for my own use. :-)

    Don't tell anyone, I stole that from somewhere long ago.

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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to Denn on Wed Aug 14 06:10:19 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Denn to Operator on Mon Aug 12 2024 10:41 pm

    a guy wore a Trump shirt to a Biden event and was screemed at by the Democrats there.
    Same Guy wore a Biden shirt to a Trump ralley and was treated with respect. you can find this video on youtube.
    Republicans were Greatful, Democrats were Hateful.


    Typical liberal behavior isn't it. I see it every day.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Accession on Wed Aug 14 16:45:10 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Accession to Arelor on Mon Aug 12 2024 06:14 pm

    Are you really calling that "wrong", or are you throwing it out there that the original poster thinks it's wrong, or are you just being sarcastic?

    I am just being sarcastic :-P

    I will also mention that some of the sites I know who do heavy policing have managed to corner themselves into irrelevance because it is night impossible to use the site for its intended purpose. In some extreme cases linking to threads in "unaproved" forums will get you kicked. "That thread you linked too is at a forum run by a Nazi, so you are a Nazi too. Die by the anti-Nazi hammer!"


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Wed Aug 14 17:03:59 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Mon Aug 12 2024 05:50 pm

    I don't think it would be good to police a place where only one way of thinking is allowed, but sometimes I feel like there is a certain amount of toxicity on Dove-Net that sometimes makes me feel disinterested in reading the messages here. Particularly lately, there has been bickering between several members and I feel like it gets old after a while. Also, seeing negativity repeatedly from the same member (or members) for years can get a bit tiring too, though I've learned to not care so much and try to mostly ignore it when it happens.

    Well, in the Usenet you just filtered out people who drained your energy out or who had nothing to contribute. Here you just blaze past their messages :-)

    Watching two people argue like teenagers in a qualm that has nothing to do with you is a bit of a waste of time, but I think it s not worse than finding threads you are not interested about in some echo you visit every now and then.


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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Arelor on Wed Aug 14 17:26:42 2024
    On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 21:45:10 -0500, you wrote:

    I am just being sarcastic :-P

    Ok. I was just making sure. :)

    I will also mention that some of the sites I know who do heavy policing have managed to corner themselves into irrelevance because it is night impossible to use the site for its intended purpose. In some extreme
    cases linking to threads in "unaproved" forums will get you kicked.
    "That thread you linked too is at a forum run by a Nazi, so you are a
    Nazi too. Die by the anti-Nazi hammer!"

    Yikes. That's why I don't and never really bothered with web forums and other related sites.

    There's still some FTN networks around that do it that way as well. It's easy enough to just not carry those.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Arelor on Wed Aug 14 20:26:28 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Mon Aug 12 2024 05:50 pm

    Well, in the Usenet you just filtered out people who drained your energy out or who had nothing to contribute. Here you just blaze past their messages :-)

    If you run your own synchronet bbs you can just twitlist the aggressive toxic people.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Accession on Thu Aug 15 04:46:28 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Accession to Arelor on Wed Aug 14 2024 05:26 pm

    Yikes. That's why I don't and never really bothered with web forums and other related sites.

    I have even more cringeworthy tales to tell. I remember an IRC channel in some Spanish network that was a Troll channel. Many operators of other regular channels would kick you out from their places if they learnt you were logged to the troll channel.

    To be honest, the troll channel was so bad you would think it was hiding under a bridge in order to pounce on unsuspecting travelers, but ban-on-sight was very wtf in my book.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Arelor on Thu Aug 15 09:19:54 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Arelor to Accession on Thu Aug 15 2024 04:46 am

    I have even more cringeworthy tales to tell. I remember an IRC channel in some Spanish network that was a Troll channel. Many operators of other regular channels would kick you out from their places if they learnt you were logged to the troll channel.

    I thought trolls normally didn't want to admit they're trolls, or don't realize they're trolls..

    Nightfox

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Thu Aug 15 12:36:20 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Thu Aug 15 2024 09:19 am

    I thought trolls normally didn't want to admit they're trolls, or don't realize they're trolls..

    It was a weird channel in which people more or less agreed to try and troll each other and be silly. I think they considered it just stupid fun.




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  • From KnightMare@VERT/TELEGRAP to MRO on Sat Aug 17 08:02:39 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: MRO to KnightMare on Tue Aug 13 2024 03:09 pm

    It was a general reply.
    no it wasn't. you said:
    " > why don't you go to reddit where you belong.
    (I can't understand why I'm saying anything...)
    You're saying that Replublicans are the gateful crowd? Are you for real? No sir. You can't be farther from the truth.
    i didnt say that. you were addressing someone.

    I didn't put a name to reply to, therefore it was meant for everyone.

    As far as reddit, I'd never send anyone to that cesspool of a platform
    even if I hated you.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to KnightMare on Sat Aug 17 14:11:41 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: KnightMare to MRO on Sat Aug 17 2024 08:02 am

    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: MRO to KnightMare on Tue Aug 13 2024 03:09 pm

    It was a general reply.
    no it wasn't. you said:
    " > why don't you go to reddit where you belong.
    (I can't understand why I'm saying anything...)
    You're saying that Replublicans are the gateful crowd? Are you for real? No sir. You can't be farther from the truth.
    i didnt say that. you were addressing someone.

    I didn't put a name to reply to, therefore it was meant for everyone.

    As far as reddit, I'd never send anyone to that cesspool of a platform
    even if I hated you.


    i still can't understand what the hell you're saying.
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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Mickey on Wed Aug 21 11:04:50 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Mickey to Denn on Tue Aug 13 2024 06:56 pm

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    HA! stolen for my own use. :-)

    here's another tag you can steal.

    ... Boobytrap spelled backwards is "PartyBoob".

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  • From Bandit@VERT/BANDHIDE to Neofree on Fri Aug 23 22:50:15 2024
    I think every election year, someone says something like this sounding altruistic.

    In 2020, that's all we heard and look where that got us. Where we are today in this blisteringly insane economy, grocery prices thru the roof and well, I think we just need to get back to the basics and just let the "Hate" flow. It will be good for the economy.

    If you have a thin skin, it's probably best to stay out of shark infested waters. I can generally hold my own when it comes to debating insane, radical communist and flat earthers so I don't spend too much time telling my opposition to "Stop hating" and "To be civil". We've tried to be civil, and being civil just isn't working. We are dealing with Low IQ voters that cry a lot when you hurt their feelings. (THe words hurt crowd). I am in the sticks and stones crowd. There is nothing you can say to me that will make me tell you to be civil and stop hating.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Bandit on Sat Aug 24 11:54:51 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Bandit to Neofree on Fri Aug 23 2024 10:50 pm

    In 2020, that's all we heard and look where that got us. Where we are today in this blisteringly insane economy, grocery prices thru the roof and well, I think we just need to get back to the basics and just let the "Hate" flow. It will be good for the economy.

    At one point I paid over $8 for a dozen large eggs.
    Since then we built a chicken coop and now have 4 hens.
    We have to give eggs away now, lol.

    ... Due to the high cost of eating out 69 is now 96!

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Denn on Sun Aug 25 14:54:44 2024
    Re: Let's be civil and hate free, please?
    By: Denn to Bandit on Sat Aug 24 2024 11:54 am

    At one point I paid over $8 for a dozen large eggs.
    Since then we built a chicken coop and now have 4 hens.
    We have to give eggs away now, lol.

    Pretty much the best defense against a broken economy is looking for ways to participate less in it.

    If you produce your own eggs then you don't give a flying fuck if egg distribution goes wonkers. I have been saying it for years already: the best use for surplus monmey these days is seeking self sufficency.


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